@PvE Nerds

Please don't respond if you're just speculating.

Does the Glyphs of Icelance/Frostbolt factor their crit chance with Shatter AFTER talent, or before.

Meaning do I have a 15% extra crit on Shatter (18% base crit x3 = 54% crit + 5% x3 = 69%) or is it 54% + 5% extra?



I would presume the former, but knowing Blizzard's odd mechanics over the years...
It's hard to say. I doubt something like that would stack in that regard, and it'd be OP. I would like to presume the former too, but they scaled down the stat gains from items, and I'm sure they don't want the stat/rating scales to be ridiculously high like they were in Wrath.

I'm sure that it would be added on as it is a different type of buff, and not associated with the Talent buff Shatter normally would.

I'll sadly say no, but I can only hope it's right. But then again, if it WAS right, I'd be hearing all the other classes QQing about Mage's Insta-crits (they practically were back in Wrath).
It wouldn't be "OP" as much as you're thinking. Essentially if you have 20% crit, your Frostbolts/Icelances have 25% crit. That is multiplied by Shatter for 75%.

Anyone else?
Iirc Glyph of Icelance is 5% extra damage, not crit.

Edit: I believe the extra crit from the glyph is calculated before the extra crit from shatter, I say this because (unless I'm somehow horribly, horribly wrong) that's how it worked during wrath, with the ability to nova someone after you've cast, but before it lands, and get the added crit chance.
Even if that were the case, logically speaking a Glyph and a Talent are two completely different things, and as such would not stack. And I think of it as such as a Glyph involves the spell directly, regardless of the Shatter effect, it will increase by 5%, whether the target is Frozen or not.

You have to remember that you would have 60% Crit (20% base amplified by Shatter talent) regardless of any spell that you cast, and it's just you would have 65% Crit if you used the Ice Lance ability.
Oh that's right, I forgot. My question still stands for Frostbolt.
@ Lucitya

The funny thing is, you're right lol...

But then again, I suppose even if you were wrong, if we even applied the concept of it containing crit, it wouldn't multiply three-fold due to the difference of buffs. Plus, I personally wouldn't take something like that for granted unless it specifically stated in the glyph/spell ability.
See logically I would think the crit chance of the spell is initially calculated as the cast completes, and then as it lands any modifiers are added, like I added in earlier how you can ele nova after you've cast and get the benefit.

Of course my head explodes when I try to combine this logic with icelance and FoF...
So I was wrong about shatter applying if the target is frozen after the spell is cast (I was curious after so I tried it out, waiting for ele nova constantly is boring), however at the very least I could swear that the character check and the target check happened separately and in that order. But since I was wrong once already I could easily be wrong again.
Does a Spell cast receive Shatter benefit even after you cast it and the target breaks freeze and the such? I never thought it did, and only believed it worked upon the casting of the spell.

Again, I figured this way, it would calculate the 5% crit into the spell, regardless of shatter or not. If the target is not frozen, it'll be 5% increase. If the target isn't shattered, it'll still be just a 5% crit increase, as the effect still works arbitrary of the target being Frozen or not.